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Barry

Kevin, here is a question your post raises. If you don't see value in ritual, why do you go to church every week and encourage others to come as well? The worship service is a weekly ritual that points to a greater reality in our lives. Daily confession is a ritual. If God could care less about rituals, why practice any tradition in our faith, we should just try to live like Christ? As I was trying to say in my post, we all have rituals that give us meaning. Some people go to church just for show and others go because it deepens their fiath. I have a hard time making a blanket statement that the traditions of another church are just for show instead of filled with meaning that brings us closer to Christ.

Kevin

I guess it does need some clarification. First of all God is not against ritual. He demanded many rituals in the OT that pointed to redemption and righteous living. My problem is not with ritual in general, but repeated man made religious ritual. For example: I believe scripture makes it clear that God wants us to attend church, be baptized, take communion, read His word and pray. Those are all rituals that I take part in regularly and believe that God blesses and enjoys with me. But as far as church tradition, dates, and other things of that nature I just don't believe God cares too much about them.

That is not to say that if someone finds "meaning" in a ritual that makes them "feel" closer to God, that I'm against it. My greater point I suppose, is that I don't believe that one's walk is all about "feeling." It is rather about truth. What does God have to say about it in His word, not a council that met several hundred years ago.

Rituals are not against God's will or plan. The Lord's supper for example is one that in our church is a beautiful time of reflection and repentance in memory of the death of Christ. I just get concerned that sometimes our rituals do in fact take the place of Christ's true intent for that ritual. Just as the Jews missed the lawgiver while trying to defend the law.

The truth is what every Christian should seek in their journey. Ritual, meaning, feelings and tradition are all a part of it, but in my opinion unless God has commanded it to be done, it is not important. ie, God does not care how you "feel" about the truth in His Word, only that you obey it.

One of the primary differences between Independent Baptists and denominational Christianity is I suppose church tradition. While a Methodist, Lutheran or Catholic may have many, many traditions that flow from their church fathers and leaders, we Baptists observe it if we find it in scripture only, mostly the New Testament, but there is some from the Old Testament as well. Note I am not condemning the other belief system, only contrasting between the two. Hopefully this is better clarification.

BruceA

Kevin -

That is not to say that if someone finds "meaning" in a ritual that makes them "feel" closer to God, that I'm against it. My greater point I suppose, is that I don't believe that one's walk is all about "feeling."

I'd have to say that meaningful rituals are not simply about "feeling" closer to God; rather, that these rituals actually strengthen our walk with God in a meaningful way. When we read Lenten passages like Joel 2 about true repentance rending our hearts and not our garments or Isaiah 58 about true fasting loosing the chains of injustice these are hard teachings, but when we follow up with a commitment as a church to repent and fast, it makes a difference. It's easier to see it through, knowing that we are not alone in our commitment.

The first generation of Christians were not the only ones who had insight into God's nature and into our relationship with God. Though I wouldn't say Tradition is infallible by any stretch of the imagination, I think we can still learn a lot from those Christians of centuries ago.

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