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shelly

I've always been concerned when our relationship with Jesus Christ is offered like "fire insurance" from the firey pits of hell. I think that limits the vision of what God had planned in the gift of his son. It seems to me that God's vision was to open wide the concept of a fully connected and committed life to our creator.

Ed

A central preoccupation with the afterlife seems to be more common among conservative than progressive Christians. It is also more common among those living in misery, under injustice, or living a seemingly unfulfilled present life. There is the idea that "it has to be better in heaven, if I only hang on."

I believe there are several problems with a central interest in the afterlife. First, it is a self-centered paradigm. Personal salvation becomes more important than love (agape), service, etc. It becomes a matter of "what to do or believe to be saved." Christianity becomes reduced to works based on requirements and rewards. This is really inadequate motivation, not authentic Christianity.

A vision of the future is very important. However, life in the present should enhance the realization of the vision. We should bring the vision to reality and not wait for someone else to do it.

Finally, it promotes an image of God as a judge, not a compasionate source of abundent grace.

We should live a life of virtuous integrity based on central precepts of Christianity along with developing a close personal relationship with God. This is really the most we can do and should minimize the concern about a final judgment.

Bruce

The country band Diamond Rio had a song several years ago, titled "It's All in Your Head". One line from that song has stuck with me though the years: "Heaven's more than a place, it's a state of mind."

Now I know Diamond Rio will never be in anyone's top ten theologians list, but that one line, I think, shows great insight. I have friends who insist that heaven is a real, concrete place somewhere "out there", yet it is not a present reality to them. I think they are missing something.

You mentioned one of Jesus' statements from John. Another is this: "I come that they may have life, and have it abundandtly."

When we make the kingdom of heaven our state of mind, that's when we have abundant life.

Recently I took my 2-year-old son for a walk on a nature trail. The trail wound along beside a stream, and at one point I looked across to the other side, and saw a deer looking back at me. I pointed it out to Iain, and he got excited. "Deer! Deer! Hi, deer!" he said, as he alternated pointing and waving at it. The deer, for its part, stood motionless, as if that would render it invisible.

Somehow, in that scene, I think I caught a glimpse of heaven. I'm not saying heaven is going to be a woodland trail with a creek and wildlife. But God did make the deer, and the stream, and the woods, just as he made everything. And to see the sense of wonder and joy as a toddler discovers something new -- I don't think I am speaking metaphorically by calling it heaven on earth.

I've also seen heaven on earth while working on mission projects in Costa Rica, Mexico, and Guatemala. The work is physically more difficult than sitting in an office all day, yet it's also more joyful.

One of my favorite memories is from a worship service in San Juan Cotzal, Guatemala. Our team was there to help rebuild the church after it had been destroyed in Guatemala's civil war. On the evening of our last full day there, we attended a worship service in the still unfinished church. Our team had learned the Central American hymn "Lord, You Have Come to the Lakeshore", and we sang it for the congregation. As soon as they recognized the melody, they joined us. So we sang, in English, Spanish, and Ixil, making a joyful noise to God.

Indeed, the kingdom of heaven is already here.

Shannon

I saw in a movie once "Satan" being played by actor Viggo Mortenson (one of my favorites). He said that Hell was not the dark depths of the earth. Hell is having to dwell for eternity outside the love of God. Just a thought.

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